Should public sector unions be abolished?

Big Labor is Fighting UsBy Robert Romano — Should public sector unions be abolished? One governor seems to think so.

“I think really government works better without them. I really do,” said Indiana Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels appearing on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace on June 10.

He’s right. Public sector unions really serve no purpose other than to suck up dwindling taxpayer resources to pay for lavish pension and health benefits that threaten to sink state and local governments into insolvency.

Consider the facts. States have combined debts reaching over $4.2 trillion nationwide in 2011, plus another $2 trillion to $3 trillion in unfunded pension liabilities, and trillions more in untold health care liabilities.

It’s hard to argue that much good at all has come from allowing public employees to collectively bargain. Except it’s no bargain. All taxpayers have to show for it is a bill that cannot be paid — even with exorbitant taxation, as California is learning.

Daniels’ comments came after Wisconsin Republican Governor Scott Walker’s crushing victory over Tom Barrett in the June 5 recall.

The vote there was viewed largely as a referendum on his policies to rein in government worker benefits. His plan requires public employees to pay more into their own health care and pension packages, guarantees recertification elections for the unions every single year, and prohibits state agencies from collecting union dues.

After abortive attempts in recent years to rein in such excesses in states like California and Ohio, Walker’s win in Wisconsin might be a turning point in the battle between taxpayers and their governments.

Daniels too has quite a track record of reining in the unions in Indiana. In 2005, he restricted collective bargaining for state workers. In 2011, he did it again for teachers. And now he has signed a law giving all employees public and private the right to decide if they wish to join a union.

Such reforms, taken together, are helping to restore the consent of the governed. No longer will taxpayers at the state level be enslaved to pay for the level of government that the government demands.

For that’s all collective bargaining in the public sector essentially is. It creates another branch of government, and through the process, locks in ever-higher levels of benefits for public employees.

Often, collectively bargained union benefit packages cannot even be amended. All state legislatures can do is vote to approve the final budget that includes the benefits. Does that sound democratic?

So, really, the only solution was to put those benefits back on the table of things that could be cut or modified by legislatures. People’s elected representatives should be making these decisions, not Big Labor.

Limited taxpayer resources are not to be bargained with, and certainly not by politicians and the unions that then simply funnel the money back into their political coffers. It is hard to think of a more corrupt practice in our Republic.

But perhaps if Mitch Daniels and Scott Walker have their way, those days are coming to an end. For government to keep its legitimacy, it must maintain the consent of the governed, and that will not happen while taxpayers are viewed as mere conduits to transfer their hard-earned money to corrupt union bosses and politicians.

Robert Romano is the Senior Editor of Americans for Limited Government.

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  • TrueBeliever

    Sorry RonyG But your explanation bears scrutiny. The Stonecutters formed a Guild against members of their own trade that would claim privilege not earned. There were different levels of proficiency among stone masons, starting with Apprentice, Fellowcraft, then Master Mason.  The Guild was formed by the tradesmen to keep integrity amongst the workers in the craft. Not to gain “Social Justice in their working hours and other misc benefits”.  They did not Unionize against the Kingdom’s interests to benefit themselves, they united to protect the integrity of the Craft, thus forming a Guild.
    Big Difference.

  • WVF

    Yes, public employee unions should be disallowed.  I used to work as a civilian for the U.S. Navy, and all six of the unions with which I had to work were worthless.  They have no real power.  They cannot strike, which is the ultimate weapon in a union arsenal.  Employees of the public sector are so protected that it is shameless!  They can’t bargain for wages, but they can just be a nuisance.  They should not exist!

  • WVF

    Don, unions should not exist.  Employees are protected by so many laws that there is no need for unions.  This is not 1900 when working conditions, safety, and pay needed to be negotiated.  Unions came into this country through Communism.  Read a little history and you’ll quickly see that’s the origin of unionization.  Union bosses are as corrupt as our politicians!

  • WVF

    Lindy, why don’t you do a little research on the usefulness of unions?  They grew out of Communism!

  • WVF

    Mayonsepult, Lindy doesn’t have a clue.  Read a little history on the modern day union.

  • WVF

    Edwars, old fingers or not, that is the answer–TERM LIMITS!  I agree with Shakespeare, kill all the lawyers!

  • dj

    In one word — YES!!!

    When the public sector employes make more for the same job as their private sector peers, then, it means that the guy with the lower income is being cheated,

    Average government salary, $71,000 per year.. average private sector $46,000.  When the guy paying the salary is making less than the guy he has hired, there is something grossly wrong.

  • dj

    Marie,

    See my post above!!!

  • dj

    I agree with term limits but differ on the length and breadth.  Twelve years max in either house or senate with 2 six years terms in thee Senate and 3 foour year terms in  the hoouse. NO one allowed to move from one houe  to the other without a three year minimum break between positions.

    I’m also cocerned with the bureaucrats working just below or for our politicians in office.  Shorter term limits could allow them to gather too much power unto themselves.  Look at Great Britain’s political structure as an example.

  • Tbeacham

    Absolutely… there should be NO collective bargaining for government jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Geraldine-Rafferty/100001895470719 Geraldine Rafferty

     Bingo!

  • Conniek31

    It has been predicted n the 1800′s that Unions will destroy America’s economy!!

  • topeka

     pduffy,

    amen

  • Rls2103

    You are damn right they should be outlawed.  It turns out that the so called representatives that are supposed to represent the tax payer, end out being reps for the damn unions.  Outlaw them and now

  • topeka

    yes,

    but as it is unlikely to happen overnight…

    I would settle for

    1. allowing Unionists to organize against their union – union dues are routinely “stolen” and abused to pay whopping salaries to the management, democratic political campaigns, and strikes (like the one we have in FW … over health insurance that I would give an eye tooth for)

    … plus their pension plans are being abused … when the faux recovery fails, and the stocks and bonds are worthless and the POTUS de jour (lib or lib-lite) lets the pension funds go belly up (as they must – the young cannot pay them) … Unionists will cry foul and tho they will blame others – they’re the ones whose plans bought all the rot Wall Street had to sell – and paid for Dem-Politicians to juice the economy for their Overseers.

    … Union’s should have no standing employees higher than an administrative assistant; and term limits on their leadership and pay caps… i.e. the members should control the union bosses, not the other way round.

    2. Apply RICO / Racketeering statutes against unions – to stop the Dem’s from embezzling for campaigns, and to stop the leadership (don’t step in it) from just embezzling

    3. Outlaw Union violence – no more special privileges for Unionists who can sabotage, mug, threaten, and assault with impunity.

    4. Right to No Strike and Right to Scab … if I hear one more story by a union member of their whacky national leadership ordering a strike – and destroying the local …

    Over the years I’ve had many friends whose unions have gone on strike – destroying employers, good jobs, and the hopes and dreams of the rank and file (yeah – usually my friend) over nickels, or dimes, or b/c the national union wanted to send a message, or the Union bosses wanted to throw a tantrum, … or the Unionist morons outnumbered the normal people and voted for a job-suicide strike (rare, but I know of one).

    Those who don’t agree should be able to just go back to work. Especially in the many cases where the strike serves only the bosses or the whack jobs – the union members can vote their feet – in this case by going to work.

    5. Gut the NLRB – and replace it with a temporary non-partisan, non-Unionist agency with law enforcement teeth to regulate unions… I know this is not ideal – but you will never get rid of unions with the Unionists having their own Govt Agency to enforce special rules and laws – the FBI can’t touch a union unless someone dies and they cannot connect it – a nearly impossible task.

    6. Outlaw partisan contributions to political campaigns – Again, a reverse – generally we should outlaw law on campaign contributions; these all violate the First Amendment. But as long as unions can take Other People’s Money and use it against us and them, they need to be regulated – a good idea – Union members can voluntarily contribute to any corporation for political representation of their choice, or none at all. That’s a double – b/c they get

    - Choice of representation
    - They will “GET” Citizens United

    Just to be clear – this is not a limit on the member’s contributions to any pol, regardless of party or affiliation – which should be opposed – but a regulation of unions that prevents the union bosses from spending OPM collected from their serfs to buy  Politicians of the Union Boss’ choice.

    …. I am sure there are others – but this would be fair to the 60% of union members who are not Unionists, and the large number of tiny little unions representing cops and firefighters, and miscellany.

    … and allow us to “De-Leverage” and “unwind” the beast…

    Remember – the institution is obnoxious b/c it is an unnatural one born of Lefty Envy and Greed, but there’s a lot of folks who can get a job no other way; like all of the Left – it’s embedded itself and poisoned the well – and we cannot just wave a wand and make the nightmare go away.
     

  • FloridaJim

    Public unions are particularly egregious because their contracts are made between union thugs and politicians with no taxpayer involvement, how corrupt can it be?
    No one starts a company and says “which union do I want” unions fester problems then enter and cause many, many more problems adding people, lowering performance, causing wasted time and energy and contributing only more costs forever.I have dealt with unions for 40 years so I no of which I speak.

  • TrueBeliever

    Lets get the public discussion started in the next logical direction.
    The politicians need to take the lead in relinquishing retirement pensions. How will you ask the people they promised pensions to, to lose theirs, if the Governors, Senators, Congress, etc, do not take the lead. The new mantra needs to be; NO ONE in the public sector gets retirement pensions from the taxpayer who gets none.  It needs to start at the top.

  • TrueBeliever

    Lets get the public discussion started in the next logical direction.
    The politicians need to take the lead in relinquishing retirement pensions. How will you ask the people they promised pensions to, to lose theirs, if the Governors, Senators, Congress, etc, do not take the lead. The new mantra needs to be; NO ONE in the public sector gets retirement pensions from the taxpayer who gets none.  It needs to start at the top.

  • CBRI11

    I would get rid of them but If we have to have Public Unions, they should not be able to endorse or give to any Political candidate and any way. They are funded by the Public – Republicans, Democrats … all parties. To then take that money – MY money – and channel it to one party affiliation (usually the one I don’t support) should be illegal.  

  • James

    Since the US Armed Forces are not unionised, why should any government (local,state or Federal) be unionised

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  • Greg137

    The unions are dinosaurs, and they Have seen the meteor… The meteor has a Name… that name is BARACK OBAMA(HMMM… HMMMM… HMMMM…) Now we must be rid of the meteor, so let us all begin by taking it to the landfill…. The landfill also has a name… It is called the unemployment line…  Throw the bum out!

  • Bob Button

    Where people have had a choice about Unions, Unions don’t do well. Do to the Federal government what walker did in Wisconsin Turn the Federal Government into a Right to Work place.

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  • sdbroder

    There are concerns other than money. I am thinking of teachers and police officers especially.

    TEACHERS. While Math teachers rarely get into trouble (1+1=2 always), other teachers can have content-related problems: SCIENCE teachers and creationism; ENGLISH teachers and their forced acceptance of sub-standard grammar; HISTORY teachers and all kinds of political correctness issues. FOREIGN LANGUAGE teachers and political issues brought up in class; etc. TEACHERS having to be abused by pupils, supervisors, all of whom are terrified of parents, administrators, and local school boards.

    POLICE. Afraid to be proactive for fear of any number of potential problems raised by criminals, their attorneys, ”rights” groups of all kinds, etc. And when the chief gets a complaint, the easiest thing to do is to suspend or fire the cop, if for no other reason than fear of losing his own job.

    Are unions responsible for some problems? Of course. But remember how poorly employees in both the private and public sectors were treated. Fired on trumpt-up charges just before they qualified for a pension (if there was any kind of pension at all); low pay, no benefits at all, 12-hour days and 6-day weeks, “No Irish need apply”, “If you can’t work Sunday, don’t come in Monday”. 
    No recourse at all, regardless of employer abuse. That’s why unions were formed in the first place. Is reform needed? Quite probably. But don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.  

    Been There.  

  • Louis a/k/a Papa

    according to the constitution, there is but, “one union” (1) and that is , “the united states of america,” and not other unions, wich is contrary to the constitution..
    There are, “we the people,” wich are the, “masters of this house” and there are the, “servants of the house,” wich are, “they the government.”
    wich are supposed to, “preserve, protect, and defend,” the constitution of the united states, and not their own personal interest..
     The constitution, is a, “spiritual document,” wich is inspired, by “GOD” and written by man.. It is meant to act as a barrier, (wall of protection) between, govt, and the people, and not as, “toilet paper,” for government..
    Papa……… 

  • Louis a/k/a Papa

    Unions have outlived their usefulness, since govt regulates everything in the workforce today.. there is so much regulation, more in favor of the worker, than the company, wich is why, most companies are packing up, and going elsewhere, and leaving the jerks that think that they own the company store behind to fend for themselves…
    First companies went to mexico, then taiwan, then to other countries in south. and central america, and now, India, and china..
    Remember, that companies are in buisness to make money, and not to spread the wealth to those that want a free ride, it’s called, “capitalism” it has worked from the biginning, and the only people that resent it, are the liberal socialists, who love to take over and spend other peoples money, and make promisses they can’t keep, till they run out of other peoples money, and every one becomes ‘poor and misserable.”
    Ask any dictatorship, or socialist nation, and they’ll tell you all about it…
    Does “the soviet union ring a bell?”
    Papa………….
    P.S.
    Why dont you open up your own buisness, and see what a buzzaw that govt has waitting for you, and if you succeed, the other buzzaw you’ll get from the unions…

  • Mayonsepult

    I agree with you government employees not allowed to join Unions

  • Mayonsepult

    You are rigth, but Governors, Senators, CONGRESS etc wlll not give up any benefits only increased it for themselves?
    Poiticians are the one senbing the wrong messages to the people. Too much special interests to satisfy.
    Realy democrates look more helpful than republicans. I see democrates more for the people tha repulicans are on the side of the rich.

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  • TrueBeliever

    Your skeptical attitude will not help.  It can happen if we want it to happen.
    Currently there is no public discourse on the topic of politicians pensions. But the seed has been planted and it will grow if the public waters it with their voice on forums like this one. Eventually public sentiment will grow to understand the need.  Once it becomes public discussion and light is shown on the topic we will be on the road to change, whether the politicians like it or not. 

  • Arial

    Right now, me and 239 of my Union (Private Sector) brothers and sisters are locked out of work since our contract expired.  We told the Company that we would be willing to work while negotiations were ongoing, but they nixed it and now we’re walking a picket line because the LA Headquarters of the Co. only allotted a very small amount of money for the Contract and even the Site Management has said “they refuse to present this offer again as it is unfair and would be an insult to the Union members”  Yes, there is Corporate Greed out there and while this Company’s CEO is in the top 75 of US highest paid CEOs, he doesn’t mind low-balling the people whose sweat has made this company so successful not to mention all the holidays, birthdays, and anniversaries missed at home because this plant runs 24/7 EVERYDAY.  I’ve worked for Union shops and non-union shops over my lifespan and though I hate to admit it, SOMETIMES  Union Representation is a NECESSITY but I feel that there should be NO PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS that extort and threaten the very Taxpayers that pay their exorbitant salaries, healthcare, and pensions!  Even FDR was quoted as opposed to Public Sector Unions! 

  • Arial

    Right now, me and 239 of my Union (Private Sector) brothers and sisters are locked out of work since our contract expired.  We told the Company that we would be willing to work while negotiations were ongoing, but they nixed it and now we’re walking a picket line because the LA Headquarters of the Co. only allotted a very small amount of money for the Contract and even the Site Management has said “they refuse to present this offer again as it is unfair and would be an insult to the Union members”  Yes, there is Corporate Greed out there and while this Company’s CEO is in the top 75 of US highest paid CEOs, he doesn’t mind low-balling the people whose sweat has made this company so successful not to mention all the holidays, birthdays, and anniversaries missed at home because this plant runs 24/7 EVERYDAY.  I’ve worked for Union shops and non-union shops over my lifespan and though I hate to admit it, SOMETIMES  Union Representation is a NECESSITY but I feel that there should be NO PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS that extort and threaten the very Taxpayers that pay their exorbitant salaries, healthcare, and pensions!  Even FDR was quoted as opposed to Public Sector Unions! 

  • Arial

    Ed, did you ever work at Hanza, Okinawa in the Navy circa 1970′s ??

  • Arial

    Ed, did you ever work at Hanza, Okinawa in the Navy circa 1970′s ??

  • Arial

    God Bless the OATHKEEPERS.

  • Arial

    While I don’t support Public Sector Unions, I belong to a Private Sector Union out of necessity.  I am in the Energy Producing Occupation and unless you have worked rotating twelve hour shifts in a plant that runs 24/7 Everyday of the year and have been denied spending holidays with the family or called in with two hours notice because this thing or that is not operating properly and you are placed on-call for any major emergency as well as being randomly alcohol and drug tested per Federal Law and no other job in the area pays as well…then you are stuck, and the Union Representation as well as the NLRB is the only thing keeping the Company from chewing up any and all humanity left inside you to shuffle off this mortal coil at an average of twenty years earlier than equivalent townspeople in your area.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JQULB6LLHUUG7LKJOCXM4BPRQM GLENNS

    The democrats care about no one but themselves. Look at the President we have, he could care less about anyone . Maryland has a democrat as our governor, wanted to put the 6% sales tax  on our gasoline. Said need to put people back to work, ok but instead of the money going to repair bridges and old roads, Wanted to build new roads. Lucky for us this time the democrats in the state said no. 

  • gigarath5

    If teachers don’t want to teach the subject matter that the school board wants them to teach, then they need to find another job. Police Officers have cameras everywhere at this point. So to say that someone can make crap up in this day and age is retarded. If you don’t like the working conditions then you should find another job. Who are you to tell someone who they can or can’t hire or fire? It’s their money! If you don’t like it too bad.

  • gigarath5

    No where in the constitution does it ever mention God. If on the other hand you’re speaking of the Declaration of Independence it mentions “Creator” but then again if you are an atheist you then believe that cause and effect created you. That is to say your parents having sex is the cause, and you are the effect. Therefore your parents because they love you want you to have life, liberty, and to pursue happiness. If you are a theist then “Creator” is your God, Gods, Goddess, Goddesses, fairy, magician, whatever you believe in. The whole point is that government has boundaries. That doesn’t mean that God wrote the f***ing constitution.    

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